Interview
from profane existence
Having made it to less than a dozen shows since the birth
of my daughter, I was very much looking forward to the Aus-Rotten
and Broken show on June 19th here in Minneapolis. The show
brought about a radical transformation within myself, for
not only was it exciting to be around a group of enthusiastic
activist-oriented punks, but the relatively small turn out
was an eye opener as well. The net result was a feeling
that I just wasn't doing "enough" anymore and
at some time during the show I decided I would start another
magazine. After consulting with a number of other ex-PE
editors / contributors also in attendance it was settled
that PE magazine would make a come back. The usual "festive"
entreaties following many gigs in Minneapolis meant that
doing an interview in our home town would be next to impossible,
so the next day Joe and I saddle up the Blackened van and
followed the bands to their next gig in Des Moines. The
show itself took place outdoors, in the back lot of a used
car dealership, to a crowd who averaged 1/2 the age of those
at the Minneapolis show. It was quite inspiring to see Broken
and then Aus-Rotten pass the torch to the next generation
of punks, occasionally interrupted by low flying jets heading
for the near by airport. Afterwards we were invited back
to Nate's house to party like zine stars. There we were
treated to hot veggie soup courtesy of the local FNB, and
did the following interview while stewing in a pool side
hot tub (No joke!) The band since expressed desire to redo
the interview in a less distracting environment, but I felt
the interview that took place was consistent with the long
standing PE policy that you can have fun while "making
punk a threat again." Besides, it is only matter of
taking a look at any of Aus-Rotten's releases to know they
are dead serious about their politics...
PE: The first thing we wanted to ask is where do you find
the inspiration to continually come back and do what you
do?
Corey: Everyone in the band has different reasons for themselves,
but in general we're all pretty tight personal wise. We're
all pretty good friends. Probably the main ingredient, or
the "glue that binds the wood," is our firendship.
Adrienne: I've been doing Aus-Rotten part time for the
past couple of years. For me I have always felt that being
in a band is a great way of communicating ideas and feelings.
I know that Aus-Rotten really has a lot of amazing things
to say and I thought it would be a great opportuninty to
communicating my ideas and feelings.
Dave: Like Adrienne was saying I think it is probably the
best way for me to reach people with my ideas, express myself,
and let out some of the anger about what I see happening.
You know, a chance to raise my voice a little bit.
Eric: I agree. It's a very good way to express my views.
It's a really fucked up world and every day there is another
new "ill" of society or the world. Our job simply
isn't done because we still have a lot to say and a lot
to complain about. Also I see this as being a part of an
alternative lifestyle. I would rather do this with my life
than put on a suit and tie and work. Not saying that every
day is like this [laughter from all in/around the hot tub]!
We're not living high on the hog by any means, but I would
much rather live this lifestyle, play music, travel around
and be happy doing what I am doing. So many of my friends
and family have just gone out and gotten crap jobs and they
are not happy. I mean they're not even making any money
really - they've just dedicated their lives to a corporation
doing some stupid job. I'm also getting older, but I'm going
to dedicate myself to doing this, at least while I still
can. I see this as what I like to call practical anarchy
- this is it. I am not going to dedicate my life to my country
or my job or any bullshit like that.
Adrienne: It's not like Aus-Rotten is making a living off
what they are doing because they also have to work and make
money elsewhere. It's even tougher for a lot of the other
punk bands who are out there who aren't getting good shows,
who aren't getting a lot of people coming, and who are feeling
discouraged. But even if you reach one fucking person it's
totally worth it. If it is possible, through your band,
to live an alternative lifestyle, then that's great and
you should go for it. But even if you can't and have to
work some shitty job for 40 hours a week, then it's still
worth it.
Eric: We all do have to get jobs here and there. The kinds
of jobs we get are jobs we lose immediately. I can't even
count how many jobs I've lost over this band this lifestyle.
"OK, you're going on tour so you're fired!" It's
all a matter of what is more important.
Cory: This band has meant we've always been living hand
to mouth. We've all been doing this for quite a while and
I'm not tired of it. Not every day is a bright day, but
it's better than being owned by corporations.
PE: It's been a worthwhile sacrifice?
Eric: I wouldn't even say that, because what have I sacrificed?
Job security? The American Dream? I haven't sacrificed shit!
Corey: Being Fathers Day and all has made me think about
things a bit. I mean I watched my own father be consumed
by his job. That's pretty much what he does, day in and
day out, and it's sad to say that it's going to kill him.
I just don't want to wind up like that. I want to enjoy
life and enjoy the people that are around me, and everything
else.
PE: [to Adrienne] What do you feel that your addition to
the band has contributed to Aus-Rotten?
Adrienne: From what I've heard from Aus-Rotten I feel that
they have been covering a lot of topics, reaching out and
communicating a lot of good ideas. But I don't know if gender
issues and sexism issues have been touched on as deeply
and as personally as they need to be addressed. And I mean
by any group of people, be it comprised of all men, or all
women, or any combination of both. Because I am now in the
band I am going to bring that into the band; talking about
sexism and gender issues. I totally encourage any group
of individuals to talk about this, because it's not just
women who are suffering through this. It's not just women
who deal with sexism and deal with rape and who deal with
abuse - it's men too. Like if your girlfriend, your sister,
or your wife got raped then it affects you as deeply, although
in a different way, as it does the rape victim. I think
a lot of times guys think they can't deal with the sexist
issue, but I think they can, and their perspecitve is needed
just as much as my perspective as a woman.
Eric: I think most guys think sexism is a women's issue
and how dare I touch that subject?
Matt: I think it very much is a men's issue, not really
a women's issue, because they're the ones who are creating
the problem.
Adrienne: I think it's disapointing when women get upset
with men who are trying to deal with this issue. Years ago
when Fugazi wrote this song "Suggestion," which
was about rape and being harassed on the streets, they got
shit for it. Women would come up to them and say "How
dare you write a song about rape when you are a guy!"
Eric: Right, and as fucked up as this sounds, most men
would rather listen to other men than women. If there's
a woman up there singing about sexism then they would be
like "Whatever, it's a woman's issue, blah, blah"
and might laugh it off. But if they see other guys saying
the same thing, then they might actually listenand say "hey
wait a minute?" I don't necessarily agree with that
and it's a strange, but most men are like that.
PE: That's because you're crossing the issue over to the
other gender...
Adrienne: Yeah it's usually like if a woman is saying it
then the response is "Uh... fucking feminazi! She sounds
so bitchy!"
Eric: Yeah, we're taking advantage of that. Like I said,
I don't with agree with how men act, because I do think
that most men should listen to women, but if we can take
advantage of it then we'll use it.
Adrienne: I guess one affect of me being in the band is
that it has brought sexism out as more of an issue. It's
not like they weren't addressing it, but it is different
now.
PE: Why the radical change in line-up by adding a second
vocalist after such a long time?
Dave: We've all known Adrienne a long time and all liked
Spitboy and have gotten to become really close with her
and talked to her about doing some stuff. We didn't really
expect it was going to be this much, like going on tour,
but it's worked great and we're all really happy about it.
Originally we just talked about recording a song... Now
we're trying to get her to move down to Pittsburgh. It's
pretty hard because unfortunately she is around kind of
here and there, like when she can come down or we go out
to New York. It's great that she could take off and come
on tour with us.
Adrienne: If they have a show and I can't do it then it's
not like they won't play. You know they have like 10 million
things to do that don't involve me.
Eric: Adrienne did a couple songs on our last LP and the
new one we just recorded, which makes it tough to perform
those songs without her and usually means we just don't
play them. On this tour she is singing a lot more songs
than just the ones she does on the records. It's like why
go on this big tour and only sing a couple songs, because
that would be totally useless.
Dave: Yeah, she wasn't into just hanging out in the background
and holding our jackets! [laughter]
PE: As a band that has been around for a long time, you
certainly must come across many people who don't listen
to a word you say and how do you cope with that to keep
going?
Eric: I think that's what keeps me going, is the fact that
people don't listen, so I'm going to keep telling them.
Adrienne: Sometimes it's not a even matter of a whole group
of people saying "Yes, you're right about that issue."
Its sometimes just a matter of reaching one single person
and having an impact on them, then it's worth it.
Eric: I think it would actually be foolish for everyone
to just take our word as fact. I would rather people say
if they don't agree with this or that I've said. If people
have an issue with what I say then I think great, at least
they have the balls to say something about it.
Corey: Or ovaries.... [laughter]
PE: Of course there is the usual bad habit in the scene
where people would rather talk shit about you than come
up to your face with issues.
Adrienne: Yes, it seems to happen quite often where people
will build other people up on a pedestal and then feel inimidated
to approach them. You know, that's not what the punk scene
is supposed to be about. If you have an issue with me or
don't agree with me, then come up and talk to me. No one
in a band is untouchable or above anyone else.
Eric: Right; we're all people too and no different than
anyone else.
Corey: I've learned more just by travelling around and
meeting other people in more or less just a social manner.
PE: Have you received a lot of negative feedback from people
who just aren't into politics or bands that have political
things to say?
Dave: We get it from both ends, probably like a lot of
other political bands. Like we get that say we're too political
and preach too much. Then we have other people that put
what we say under a microscope and look for inconsistancies
that we might not be living up to.
Eric: I think we're too political for some people and not
political enough for others. It's not like we're doing this
from some kind of text book. We didn't pick up a Crass record
and say, "Look this is how we have to do it!"
This is personal for us and this is how we do it. We're
not perfect, but at least we're making an effort, which
is more than a lot of people are doing.
Dave: We also try not to separate ourselves from anyone
else. We know that by living in this society we are just
as much a part of the problem as everybody else is. We're
not perfect and we feel that everyone has to just try to
do the best that they can. You know, live your life while
causing the least amount of harm as possible. You have to
do as much as you can and fight your battles when you can,
but you also have to realize that in this society you can't
get by without inadvertantly supporting some of the things
you are opposed to.
Eric: In our lyrics we don't like to use the word "you."
Instead we like to say "we," because we're all
to blame, everyone here included.
Adrienne: And the punk scene should never become a competition
to see who is more "P.C." Like who's vegan and
who's not, who wears leather and who doesn't, who uses the
word "bitch" and who doesn't... It's like "get
over it," because we all do what we can and to compete
with each other breaks the whole punk scene down.
Eric: I think we used to get a lot more shit in the past
than we do now. I think people have seen that we are sticking
to our guns and are not going to give in. It was especially
hard for us, because Pittsburgh never really had an anarcho-political
band and when we started we caught a lot of shit.
Corey: We still do...
Eric: Yeah, but it's like "Holy shit, these guys really
mean it." You know we haven't gone away and people
have developed this respect that this is what we do. We
also really get a lot of different people at our shows.
We'll play a show in front of political punks, drunk punks,
emo kids, skinheads or whatever. It still blows my mind
when we play a show and there's a skinhead in the front
row nodding his head. I just wonder if maybe he's not listening
to the lyrics, or if there's some kind of wierd respect,
or maybe we're teaching him something; I don't know.
PE: Did Aus-Rotten actually break up for a while?
Corey: Yeah, we did an eight week tour of Europe and after
that we needed some time to ourselves. And we pretty much
said "This is it, no more!" The thing that sucked
about it is that me and Dave and Corey have been friends
for 20 years and that pissed me off the most about it. We
have been friends for so long that it was stupid that we
let things we coulnd't talk about get in the way. Then we
got offered and ABC No Rio benefit show, because of all
that was going on with the construction and ABC going legal
with the city. ABC did a lot for us and we wanted to support
them, not only as a show space but an art space and a part
of the movement. For the size of something like ABC going
up against the City of New York, it was something we wanted
to support.
Eric: We got back together for that show, to help ABC,
because we believed in it so much. Then I think we all just
came to our senses and said "Let's do this again."
Corey: It was supposed to be a one shot thing and just
kept doing it from there.
PE: So how long have you guys been friends?
Corey: Since we were children.
Eric: Corey and I were on the same baseball team when we
were kids.
PE: Was Human Investment just a one time project or will
there be more?
Dave: No, Human Investment is done. When Aus-Rotten broke
up, I was doing Human Investment which was started by me
and the old drummer for Aus-Rotten and some other people,
but that all changed too. Eric and Corey were also doing
another band called Doomsday Parade at that time. Even after
Aus-Rotten got back together we all still did our other
projects too, but Human Investment did finally break up
a little while ago and nothing else will come of that. The
guy that ended up on drums for Human Investment did fill
in for us on the "And Now Back To Our Programming"
LP. After Aus-Rotten got back together it took us a little
while to find a drummer until we found Matt. Now with Adrienne
we really have just the perfect line up.
PE: Do you feel you are now playing catch up with yourselves?
Dave: You both [Matt and Adrienne] have been really great
additions and we've just recorded some new stuff which we're
really excited about.
Corey: There was so many things we did miss out on just
because we didn't have a solid line up.
Dave: Yeah, we were always teaching new drummers our stuff
so we couldn't write new music. Now I think we have a line
up that we can stick with for a long time. We all just work
so perfectly together and can get a lot done.
PE: So the new LP is recorded?
Dave: Yes, it's being mixed right now. We heard the first
half mixed down before we left and it should be finished
by the time we get back. It's going to come out on Rotten
Propaganda and Skuld in Europe.
PE: What is going on with Rotten Propaganda?
Dave: Yeah, I tried to do that for a while and just ran
into some major financial problems to where it fell apart
and had some major debt to pay off. Now we're going to get
it going again and have some new things lined up. Like we'll
be doing our new album and CD, a discography on vinyl for
Mankind?, and Anti-Product discography CD and a few other
things possibly.
PE: What about a the zine?
Dave: Yes, but I don't think it's going to be the kind
zine that will be on its own, but something that will come
in the record again. It all depends on our financial resources
because we just don't have a whole lot of money to work
with.
Eric: Maybe we'll finally get it onto the World Wide Web.
Dave just got a computer like 2 months ago and Dave's brother
is probably going to help us get an official Rotten Propaganda
site going soon. We're just kind of behind the times on
the whole computer thing and we just have to get off our
butts and do it. I just learned how to send an email a little
while ago!
PE: Yeah, the whole scene is rapidly moving to the internet...
Dave: None of us know anything about computers so it's
all really new to us.
Eric: It really has surprised me about the difference from
people my age compared to the teenagers today who are strictly
computers. I mean we don't even receive mail in our PO box
any more. Nobody even picks up a pen and paper and writes
any more. Everyone just like "what's your email address?"
When I buy a record I don't even see a PO Box or mailing
address any more - it's all email now.
Adrienne: It's all very impersonal.
Eric: The one good thing we did notice when we got email
everything became a lot cheaper. Before we used to get a
huge phone bill at the end of the month and I would get
a collection agency after me.
Corey: With this tour it's all going to balance out because
of the price of gas. Our phone bill is going down, but we'll
still be in debt after this tour...
PE: Speaking of email... We received a message a few months
back from some kid in Pittsburgh urging us to start a boycott
of Aus-Rotten because blah blah member's girlfriend is an
anti-choice, born again Christian...
Dave: OK, that's bullshit. This is my ex-girlfriend, someone
I had a child with. I myself am an athiest. She has beliefs.
I think that anyone who would call her a born again Christian
is just as much of a narrow minded bigot as they would say
that she is. Just because somebody has spiritual beliefs...
it's just ridiculous to say that. It's obviously somebody
that knows absolutely nothing about her.
Adrienne: Why should that even come up as an attack against
Aus-Rotten or Dave? Like what does that have to do with
Dave's beliefs or the band's? It's so ridiculous when people
try to take a tiny personal aspect of someone and try to
make it a huge issue.
Dave: Before we went on tour we did two different pro-choice
benefit shows. We did one in New Jersay and another at State
College. We got paid nothing and lost money to do these
two shows.
Adrienne: If I thought for a minute that Aus-Rotten weren't
pro choice I would never be in the band!
Corey: It's obvious that this person doesn't know us.
Eric: Yeah, if they have these accusations then they should
come up and talk to us first. It's like what we said earlier
in the interview that when you put yourself into the spotlight
and have really strong views, then there are going to be
people who will try to know you off this supposed pedestal
that we're not even trying to be on.
[interview momentarily breaks down into joke accusations
about who saw who coming out of McDonald's recently].
PE: [Joe's mandatory drummer question to Matt] How did
you feel about being approached to play drums in Aus-Rotten?
Matt: I knew Dave for a while because I had played in other
bands in town. I knew they were having drumming problems
and I initiatially just offered to fill in, because I knew
their stuff just from listening to them so much. One day
Dave just called me up and asked me to try it out and I
did. I guess they all talked it over and...
Eric: It was just amazing because he even knew all the
old stuff that we haven't even played in like five years.
He was even playing it the same way that our old drummer
Richy used to play, with the same fills and cymbal crashes
and everything.
Adrienne: Just in the two years that Matt's been with the
band he's improved so much and has incorporated his own
style into it now.
Matt: It took a little while to get used to playing with
the full band.
Corey: He's a quiet guy and it took a little while to get
to know him, but we knew he was a good guy.
Eric: Our band has always had drummer problems. It's hard
enough to find any drummers at all, and we were really lucky
to find one that just clicked with us.
PE: Do you think last year's Primate Freedom Tour was successful?
Dave: We've never been a part of anthing like that before
and I think it was a very positive experience. I think it
could have been done a little bit bit better. I only say
that because I think it had the potential to really be something,
but I think the people who organized it took too much upon
themselves. I think if they would have had more people helping
to set it up I think it could have gone a lot further. Because
it was a benefit tour it meant we lost a lot of money, but
we helped fund something that was so positive. These activists
were out really getting their point across and really getting
a lot accomplished by making a lot of people aware as to
what is going on these primate research centers.
PE: Did you actually go to these primate research centers
and actively protest?
Dave: We did a couple of times. The way it worked is the
activists were on a bus and they would set up in a city
for like three or four days. On the other hand we moved
from city to city every night basically just travelling
and playing, so we would only hook up with them in certain
cities when we could.
Eric: In all honesty, that wasn't what we were there to
do. Our job was to fund it financially and to let people
know what is going on and why we were doing this particular
show and why we were touring. We were basically getting
information out to people at the shows so they could go
out and check out the actual protests.
Adrienne: I know you had videos playing at the shows and
I think even that had a lot of impact on the people. I know
it really touched me.
Corey: Yeah, there were always people swarming around the
TV's, especially between the bands and we did reach a lot
of people. Personally, I will admit that I am not an activist
in any sort of way and am absolutely terrified of being
thrown in jail, call me a wimp or whatever, but it made
me feel like I was giving something to the cause.
Eric: In a lot of ways the tour was a success. I mean it
obviously didn't stop primate research in this country.
To believe that it would is definitely naive, but if anything
it was an awareness thing. It let people who work in these
facilities know that there are people who don't like what
they're doing. We also educated a lot of people about it
at the shows. I also agree with what Dave said. It's the
first time something like this had ever been attempted,
so of course things weren't going to run smoothly and we
expected that. Also, like if they decide to do it again
next year, then they will be able to look at what worked
and what didn't and do it a little differently.
Corey: Obviously some these kids really made an imapct
by being involved [with the Primate Freedom Tour]. I mean
there were articles in the New York press going off about
about these "smelly crusty kids. blah blah blah"
Eric: Yeah, there was one guy in particular who tried to
make a joke about it and said "how can you take these
kids seriously, because the clothes they wear are dirty
and they smell" or something.
Obviously the guy took it seriously or he wouldn't have
tried so hard to discredit it.
Corey: I think it also planted a seed where these people
that were involved in the actions have since been involved
with what's gone on in Seattle, Washington DC and New York
at May Day. I think the Primate Freedom Tour was really
a warm up for things that are happening this year. I mean
it's only a small fraction of people who were involved with
the Primate Freedom Tour, but they've really come together
to help create a network. The next big things is going to
be the Republican National Convention in Philly this year.
There is especially going to be a big contingent of supports
for Mumia Abu Jamal and that's really the bread basket for
that whole thing. This whole network is only going to become
bigger as far as activism and civil disobedience goes, especially
among the younger kids
Adrienne: It would really be amazing if these kinds of
things could be organized more regularly and about different
issues as well. You know like about Military bases around
the United States, or abortion clinics where people could
take part in setting up defenses and handing out literature.
This could really be a spring board for people to move forward
from.
PE: Should one issue take a back seat to another?
Adrienne: I think certain issues are easier for some people
to deal with. Like racism or animal rights seem to be a
much easier issues for people to deal with than say sexism.
I'm not sure why people place certain issues on different
levels, because each has their own urgency and importance,
but I have definitely noticed that. Even if we just bring
things down to a punk level, there are so many problems
in the scene alone that need to be addressed and need to
be dealt with. I know punk women that have been raped at
parties or at shows, or have been molested. Even people
who have come out as being Gay or Bisexual have gotten shit
for it. It's bullshit that in the scene we are busy attacking
each other and not supporting or encouraging one another.
If this is supposed to be a scene that is so political and
not about tearing each other apart for our differences,
then why the fuck can someone not come out as being Gay
or Bisexual without being torn to bits.
Eric: It's not even on a political level, because like
it or not all punks aren't necessary political, but it does
piss me off when punks don't accept other punks for being
different, because we're all supposed to be different, we're
all supposed to be freaks. I got attracted to punk because
I was freak, because I was and geek, and had all these issues
to deal with. I and found punk because I was searching for
something that I could fit into. I mean we're all freaks
and I don't find it strange for punks to be homosexual or
bisexual or anything. Not that saying homosexuality is a
freaky thing, but because it is so shunned by society that
these people fit in with what made us decide to be punks.
We're all looked upon as freaks, told we're freaks, and
are told we're different. If someone is homosexual than
they're also told they're differnet, told they're freaks
and look for a place to feel like they can be accepted.
We all here because we weren't accepted for some reason,
so I think how dare we look at someone and make fun of them,
because we're all here for the same reason. We're all pushed
here, shunned here for some reason or another.
Adrienne: Unfortunatelty the punk scene IS dominated by
white, hetrosexual males, which in itself isn't a problem...
Eric: For the record, heavy metal destroyed the punk scene!
Adrienne: But it does become a problem when the scene becomes
intolerant of anything different from that: When women doing
bands isn't accepted or people with different ethnicity
or sexual preference aren't accepted, than that is a problem
within the punk scene. We can talk about the ozone layer
or religious wars, but there are still so many problems
in the punk scene alone.
Corey: I grew up in white suburb of Pittsburgh in somewhat
of a middle class part of town. It was kind of creepy because
I went to a high school that was basically white. I graduated
with about 400 kids and I can count the minority people
on one hand. I grew up in a racist family, not like my parents
were members of the Klan, but it was like, "There's
Blacks and then there's Niggers." I grew up being taught
that it was OK to hate. Basically I was able to overcome
all that through punk. I don't know if you want to have
this on record, but I was basically turned on to a lot of
things by Profane Existence. It's a really missed presence
and I hope you can keep it going.
Eric: I honestly can't even think of any other zine who
covered the punk scene as well as the politics behind it.
Adrienne: But don't you think Heart Attack and Ebullition
cover the same topics?
Eric: I think they do, but now how Profane did it and not
on the level that I feel I am on, however screwy that may
sound. I think Heart Attack is a good magazine, but a lot
of the bands they cover aren't necessarily my thing or my
cup of tea, which doesn't mean they're wrong or a bad thing.
There have been a lot of people that have asked, like in
other interviews, "what is there left for you since
the downfall of Profane since there is no anarcho punk label
or distro or whatever?" Of course it was a major loss,
but it's not like there really isn't anyone else doing it.
Corey: The first issue I ever got was passed onto me second
hand. It's not like those issues are outdated, because Mumia's
still in jail, the corporate monsters are still running
the fucking world, and [PE] opened me up to a lot different
things that I wasn't aware of. I don't want to sound like
some kind of kiss ass thing, but whenever you saw the news
coverage of Seattle or Washington you always saw footage
of the crusty kids and punk rockers getting arrested or
getting sprayed with Mace. A lot of those kids were turned
on by Profane Existence and punk rock period.
Adrienne: When you guys closed down there was definitely
a voice that was silenced. You covered bands that no one
else would cover and put things across in a way that no
one else was doing. When you shut down all of the sudden
it was just gone.
Corey: There was definitely an empty presence.
Eric: I think there is something that should be said which
goes out to all all bands, zines or organizations which
are politically motivated. You know, I didn't go down to
the big Mumia demonstration in Philadelphia, but my friends
who did came back and said there were all the punks with
Aus-Rotten patches or Aus-Rotten shirts. At one time I felt
guilty because I should have been there, but at the same
time there were all these people there who were kicking
ass with their Aus-Rotten shirt and, not wanting to toot
my own horn, but I felt like I really was there because
of that. Someone felt inspired enough by something I had
said or had written to put on an Aus-Rotten T-shirt and
go out and do something important.
Corey: If you look at all the slogans thrown around in
the punk scene, a lot of them can be traced back to the
people sitting here right now. I think there are a lot of
people, like Martin from Los Crudos or Jay Lee, that have
really provoked a lot of reaction from their scene; they've
challenged their scene to think.
Aus-Rotten can be contacted at P.O. Box 71287 / Pittsburgh,
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